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	<title>Comments on: The Obama Era and Popular Trends in Contemporary Western Islamic Efforts</title>
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		<title>By: Tariq Nelson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tariq Nelson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Feb 2009 21:56:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>as-salaam alaykum

&lt;blockquote&gt;a.) the subtle and emerging problem between immigrants and indigenous Muslims.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I am assuming by &quot;immigrant&quot; you mean immigrants and their children/grandchildren and by indigenous you mean converts and their children/grandchildren.

With this particular &quot;problem&quot;, I think that we have reached a point where many of the indigenous Muslims have simply thrown their hand ups and would rather no longer engage. The voices of the &#039;indigenous&#039; have been drowned out and rendered meaningless  - unless they are mouth pieces for the &#039;immigrants&#039;. Whenever someone tries to speak about converts or indigenous and their problems it is taken to be &quot;whining&quot; and they are blown off. So it has reached a point where many of the indigenous have given up and don&#039;t care enough to even fight for a seat at the table anymore. 

Now &quot;giving up&quot; can mean anything from no longer participating in community activities to outright apostasy (point &#039;e&#039; in your post above). Whatever the case, the indigenous feel ostracized and I am finding that more and more would rather not be bothered at all. I am also finding that more and more &#039;immigrants&#039; do not care to hear about this too.

The point I am making is that in order for there to be a &quot;problem&quot; or conflict, both sides have to be present. There is not conflict when only one side is there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>as-salaam alaykum</p>
<blockquote><p>a.) the subtle and emerging problem between immigrants and indigenous Muslims.</p></blockquote>
<p>I am assuming by &#8220;immigrant&#8221; you mean immigrants and their children/grandchildren and by indigenous you mean converts and their children/grandchildren.</p>
<p>With this particular &#8220;problem&#8221;, I think that we have reached a point where many of the indigenous Muslims have simply thrown their hand ups and would rather no longer engage. The voices of the &#8216;indigenous&#8217; have been drowned out and rendered meaningless  &#8211; unless they are mouth pieces for the &#8216;immigrants&#8217;. Whenever someone tries to speak about converts or indigenous and their problems it is taken to be &#8220;whining&#8221; and they are blown off. So it has reached a point where many of the indigenous have given up and don&#8217;t care enough to even fight for a seat at the table anymore. </p>
<p>Now &#8220;giving up&#8221; can mean anything from no longer participating in community activities to outright apostasy (point &#8216;e&#8217; in your post above). Whatever the case, the indigenous feel ostracized and I am finding that more and more would rather not be bothered at all. I am also finding that more and more &#8216;immigrants&#8217; do not care to hear about this too.</p>
<p>The point I am making is that in order for there to be a &#8220;problem&#8221; or conflict, both sides have to be present. There is not conflict when only one side is there.</p>
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		<title>By: Abu Adam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Abu Adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Feb 2009 15:57:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How would you define post-traditionalism?  Would it be a meeting point between the Salafis and Traditionalists?  Is it an informed muslim who has achieved Islamic literacy?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How would you define post-traditionalism?  Would it be a meeting point between the Salafis and Traditionalists?  Is it an informed muslim who has achieved Islamic literacy?</p>
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		<title>By: maryam</title>
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		<dc:creator>maryam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Feb 2009 12:19:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jezak Allahu Khayran; really appreciate the points made on this post</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jezak Allahu Khayran; really appreciate the points made on this post</p>
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		<title>By: JB</title>
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		<dc:creator>JB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Feb 2009 11:11:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh and my comment was at Aby Yusuf&#039;s comment and not the article directly</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh and my comment was at Aby Yusuf&#8217;s comment and not the article directly</p>
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		<title>By: JB</title>
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		<dc:creator>JB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Feb 2009 11:10:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tranquility in our hearts and movement in our limbs ;)

The issue is that all this movement is without direction, real leadership, and connectedness with Allah and the example of His Messenger (pbuh), in my opinion.</description>
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<p>The issue is that all this movement is without direction, real leadership, and connectedness with Allah and the example of His Messenger (pbuh), in my opinion.</p>
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		<title>By: Abu Yusuf</title>
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		<dc:creator>Abu Yusuf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Feb 2009 09:10:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Salams


All this talk of Islamic &quot;Movement/Revolution/Reform/Action&quot; etc...many will argue that what the Ummah needs is more &quot;Stillness/Calm/Tranquility&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Salams</p>
<p>All this talk of Islamic &#8220;Movement/Revolution/Reform/Action&#8221; etc&#8230;many will argue that what the Ummah needs is more &#8220;Stillness/Calm/Tranquility&#8221;.</p>
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