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		<title>By: Khadija</title>
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		<dc:creator>Khadija</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jul 2011 03:42:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What Tina? This is not true my husband does not have children.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What Tina? This is not true my husband does not have children.</p>
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		<title>By: tina</title>
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		<dc:creator>tina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 01:33:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thats sad  A .whittaker is my 1year old son dad that he is not  takeing care of.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thats sad  A .whittaker is my 1year old son dad that he is not  takeing care of.</p>
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		<title>By: Jamal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jamal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 00:40:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The brothers should have gone to Dar al-Mustafa, Hydrawmaut, Yemen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The brothers should have gone to Dar al-Mustafa, Hydrawmaut, Yemen.</p>
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		<title>By: Hamza 21</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hamza 21</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 03:02:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;why can&#039;t they make temporary marriage permissible since there is so much fornication going on? I&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;You mean Mut&#039;ah? Why would mut&#039;ah be allowed when the Prophet forbade it? Besides there&#039;s Nikah Al Misyar. It&#039;s permissible but not advisable. Shaykh Suhaib spoke about this in beginning moments of Class 6.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.suhaibwebb.com/blog/online-class-notesrecordings/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.suhaibwebb.com/blog/online-class-not...&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>why can&#39;t they make temporary marriage permissible since there is so much fornication going on? I</p></blockquote>
<p>You mean Mut&#39;ah? Why would mut&#39;ah be allowed when the Prophet forbade it? Besides there&#39;s Nikah Al Misyar. It&#39;s permissible but not advisable. Shaykh Suhaib spoke about this in beginning moments of Class 6.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.suhaibwebb.com/blog/online-class-notesrecordings/" rel="nofollow">http://www.suhaibwebb.com/blog/online-class-not&#8230;</a></p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
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		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 23:35:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you missed the point completely Leila. The touching part is that they went to seek knowledge and thats it.</description>
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		<title>By: sunspots1</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 15:08:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Really Ali I would like to read this, but paragraphs please......No offense but your ideas are lost amongst the sea of overextending lines. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;From the first point, this article was not &quot;be[ing] used to support the fact that Hijrah is not obligatory;&quot; rather, it is a warning to us Americans who go oblivious through our lives and who do realize the hazards of living in the &quot;Muslim World.&quot; We sit at home and talk about how we are mistreated by our government, but it is not until the stark reality of existence occurs before you really appreciate this place. Wa Allahu Akbar. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;One is to be grateful in all their circumstances, and there is a great nimah  in our country the United States, something we should be continuously grateful for and beseach Allah for his continual mercy for the place in which we live - despite the obvious fitna. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;There are people who leave the dean, who loose their iman, who become sinful. Some of these people loose their way and do not know how, or are too proud to return to the Mercy of their Lord. Is this not same throughout this life, amongst human beings? Indeed you will not find fault with my statements. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It is unfortunate that what you saw from this article was an argument against hijra. Truly within this article many things can be gleamed that we should learn from.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;1. State Department warnings are in place for a reason. Are we so ignorant and arrogant that we can disregard the climate, that when it is flooding we decide to go for a walk? &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;2. We are not free to &quot;roam&quot; the earth. Did it not occur to these men that they were &quot;out of place,&quot; and before deciding to explore the land they were in, they should have learned their environment first. If you are not from Crenshaw, or Oakland, or Brownsville, or the South Side of Chicago, or the back woods of North Carolina, you would not &quot;roam;&quot; why feel so free to do so in a foreign environment.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;3. We have to take responsibility for our actions. If we decide to go study someplace, why take the world of someone else - and only &#039;one&#039; someone else. Taking the easy way, is not always the best way.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;4. There is trouble entering a place that requires bribery to function on a daily basis - enough said. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;5. Muslims are human beings - we are finding more and more that it is not the &quot;country&quot; we should seek, but we must seek the person, or pockets of people that are still holding the standard of the Prophet in tact. We must remove the ideology of the &quot;Muslim World&quot; and replace it with finding the gems. &lt;br&gt;       Example, Dar al-Mustafa and Dar al-Zahra. Now people who go to Yemen now, seek out a specific place. This  &lt;br&gt;       place has been reviewed and it has gained the trust of its students. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I apologize that I was unwilling to read the remainder of your comments, hopefully this has addressed your arguments and you will be satisfied. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I also apologize to anyone who may not understand the examples given in which to illustrate my points. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And Allah knows best &lt;br&gt;S.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Really Ali I would like to read this, but paragraphs please&#8230;&#8230;No offense but your ideas are lost amongst the sea of overextending lines. </p>
<p>From the first point, this article was not &#8220;be[ing] used to support the fact that Hijrah is not obligatory;&#8221; rather, it is a warning to us Americans who go oblivious through our lives and who do realize the hazards of living in the &#8220;Muslim World.&#8221; We sit at home and talk about how we are mistreated by our government, but it is not until the stark reality of existence occurs before you really appreciate this place. Wa Allahu Akbar. </p>
<p>One is to be grateful in all their circumstances, and there is a great nimah  in our country the United States, something we should be continuously grateful for and beseach Allah for his continual mercy for the place in which we live &#8211; despite the obvious fitna. </p>
<p>There are people who leave the dean, who loose their iman, who become sinful. Some of these people loose their way and do not know how, or are too proud to return to the Mercy of their Lord. Is this not same throughout this life, amongst human beings? Indeed you will not find fault with my statements. </p>
<p>It is unfortunate that what you saw from this article was an argument against hijra. Truly within this article many things can be gleamed that we should learn from.</p>
<p>1. State Department warnings are in place for a reason. Are we so ignorant and arrogant that we can disregard the climate, that when it is flooding we decide to go for a walk? </p>
<p>2. We are not free to &#8220;roam&#8221; the earth. Did it not occur to these men that they were &#8220;out of place,&#8221; and before deciding to explore the land they were in, they should have learned their environment first. If you are not from Crenshaw, or Oakland, or Brownsville, or the South Side of Chicago, or the back woods of North Carolina, you would not &#8220;roam;&#8221; why feel so free to do so in a foreign environment.</p>
<p>3. We have to take responsibility for our actions. If we decide to go study someplace, why take the world of someone else &#8211; and only &#39;one&#39; someone else. Taking the easy way, is not always the best way.</p>
<p>4. There is trouble entering a place that requires bribery to function on a daily basis &#8211; enough said. </p>
<p>5. Muslims are human beings &#8211; we are finding more and more that it is not the &#8220;country&#8221; we should seek, but we must seek the person, or pockets of people that are still holding the standard of the Prophet in tact. We must remove the ideology of the &#8220;Muslim World&#8221; and replace it with finding the gems. <br />       Example, Dar al-Mustafa and Dar al-Zahra. Now people who go to Yemen now, seek out a specific place. This  <br />       place has been reviewed and it has gained the trust of its students. </p>
<p>I apologize that I was unwilling to read the remainder of your comments, hopefully this has addressed your arguments and you will be satisfied. </p>
<p>I also apologize to anyone who may not understand the examples given in which to illustrate my points. </p>
<p>And Allah knows best <br />S.</p>
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		<title>By: Leila</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leila</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 14:00:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I disagree with you. The elderly gentleman has two wives, not legally married to both, they are not financially secure because they had to turn to the community to raise money, one child on the way. I am sorry i dont find his conduct touching, instead it is about a man running from his responsibility to go to the mountains of Yemen ( a halal little vacation). The two young guys might have been sold a romantic view of hijrah, but he should have known better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I disagree with you. The elderly gentleman has two wives, not legally married to both, they are not financially secure because they had to turn to the community to raise money, one child on the way. I am sorry i dont find his conduct touching, instead it is about a man running from his responsibility to go to the mountains of Yemen ( a halal little vacation). The two young guys might have been sold a romantic view of hijrah, but he should have known better.</p>
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		<title>By: Ali</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ali</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 13:56:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>salam,&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Assuming that you are correct in that hijra is obligatory on us all, what is a suitable place to make hijra?  The Muslim countries of today are not exactly Islamic, and often, we have more freedom to practice our religion in the United States.  Additionally, if there are no Muslims in non-Muslims countries, who will make da&#039;wah.  In the past, the spread of Islam was facilitated through conquest and trade routes, both of which are nonexistent today.  I find it most ironic when people who converted through da&#039;wah (not talking about you in particular) in a non-Muslim country advocate hijra.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>salam,</p>
<p>Assuming that you are correct in that hijra is obligatory on us all, what is a suitable place to make hijra?  The Muslim countries of today are not exactly Islamic, and often, we have more freedom to practice our religion in the United States.  Additionally, if there are no Muslims in non-Muslims countries, who will make da&#39;wah.  In the past, the spread of Islam was facilitated through conquest and trade routes, both of which are nonexistent today.  I find it most ironic when people who converted through da&#39;wah (not talking about you in particular) in a non-Muslim country advocate hijra.</p>
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		<title>By: Ali</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ali</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 13:01:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Salam&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Although this is a terrible story, can it really be used to support the fact that Hijrah is not obligatory? If we use these isolated stories to prove or points. Then why don&#039;t we use the everyday stories of Muslims living in the west who leave Islam, and are forever trapped in the ways of sin.  People only hear about such stories &quot;first hand&quot; maybe once or twice in their life whereas we see Muslims losing their religion in the west everyday. These stories should not be presented as the norm because their are millions of people and not just Americans who have been living abroad for years and understand how to live amongst the people being responsible enough to know where and what they should be involved in. I would not believe that police would just go to an American in the fruit market for example on a random day and take an American and say &quot; come with use were going to put you in prison&quot;.In most cases it is because Westerns are in places that cause suspicion. For example the Yemen Shakyh Muqbil and his tribe, who many American Salafi&#039;s go to for studying know that the Yemen government does not agree with any body who associates with them and even more so foreigners. If our modern day scholars are going to base their rulings on isolated events then the realm of &quot;opinions&quot; will differ on a daily bases. So what is the criteria for a valid opinion? When we look into the history of Islam we see that  the scholars always insisted on hijrah throughout the centuries and it is seems that the &quot;pro-western&quot; scholars of today are the ones that seem to stand on their own in their opinions.  If the scholars throughout the centuries said it was obligation and today&#039;s western scholars say &quot;no&quot; t because times have changed then why can&#039;t they make temporary marriage permissible since there is so much fornication going on? I think it&#039;s quite strange that are past scholars generally repeat the same thing and then modern day scholars excuse themselves from following what has been established and prove it with isolated stories. While we base our proofs on stories such as these we turn a blind eye to the reality that exist in the west or maybe it is because we are so accustomed to it now.  i don&#039;t understand why there is this idea that because we are &#039;&#039;Westerns&quot; that their is some version of Islam specifically for &quot;us&quot; so much that people ask for a rule and say &quot;and what about for westerners?&quot; I think that those who say hijrah is obligatory unconditionally ( poor or sick) is based emotion just like those who say that it is not obligatory unconditionally. The middle way is to say what has already been said and that is that it is obligatory but just like any other thing that is obligatory it applies to the one who has the ability to perform it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Salam</p>
<p>Although this is a terrible story, can it really be used to support the fact that Hijrah is not obligatory? If we use these isolated stories to prove or points. Then why don&#39;t we use the everyday stories of Muslims living in the west who leave Islam, and are forever trapped in the ways of sin.  People only hear about such stories &#8220;first hand&#8221; maybe once or twice in their life whereas we see Muslims losing their religion in the west everyday. These stories should not be presented as the norm because their are millions of people and not just Americans who have been living abroad for years and understand how to live amongst the people being responsible enough to know where and what they should be involved in. I would not believe that police would just go to an American in the fruit market for example on a random day and take an American and say &#8221; come with use were going to put you in prison&#8221;.In most cases it is because Westerns are in places that cause suspicion. For example the Yemen Shakyh Muqbil and his tribe, who many American Salafi&#39;s go to for studying know that the Yemen government does not agree with any body who associates with them and even more so foreigners. If our modern day scholars are going to base their rulings on isolated events then the realm of &#8220;opinions&#8221; will differ on a daily bases. So what is the criteria for a valid opinion? When we look into the history of Islam we see that  the scholars always insisted on hijrah throughout the centuries and it is seems that the &#8220;pro-western&#8221; scholars of today are the ones that seem to stand on their own in their opinions.  If the scholars throughout the centuries said it was obligation and today&#39;s western scholars say &#8220;no&#8221; t because times have changed then why can&#39;t they make temporary marriage permissible since there is so much fornication going on? I think it&#39;s quite strange that are past scholars generally repeat the same thing and then modern day scholars excuse themselves from following what has been established and prove it with isolated stories. While we base our proofs on stories such as these we turn a blind eye to the reality that exist in the west or maybe it is because we are so accustomed to it now.  i don&#39;t understand why there is this idea that because we are &#39;&#39;Westerns&#8221; that their is some version of Islam specifically for &#8220;us&#8221; so much that people ask for a rule and say &#8220;and what about for westerners?&#8221; I think that those who say hijrah is obligatory unconditionally ( poor or sick) is based emotion just like those who say that it is not obligatory unconditionally. The middle way is to say what has already been said and that is that it is obligatory but just like any other thing that is obligatory it applies to the one who has the ability to perform it.</p>
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		<title>By: sunspots1</title>
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		<dc:creator>sunspots1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 07:06:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There it is. Good explanation..... Hamza21 this is a losing &#039;battle&#039; as long as people continue to only recognize the &quot;Arabization&quot; or better still....the &quot;foreignization&quot; of  Islam - the terms....wow.  Islam is everywhere wal-humdulillah. We need no more change our names than our shoes. We have to stop people&#039;s thinking that it is mandatory to change every aspect about their outer selves in order to be more &quot;Muslim&quot;. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I understand why people change their names, change their clothing style, start cooking lamb and rice solely when they used to cook pot roast. It is both a devaluation of the self, as well as a constant interrogation as to the validity of one&#039;s Islam - by other converts engaging in this radical change as well as foreign immigrants. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I should not have to explain to a immigrant Muslim that I am an American, daughter of an American, daughter or an American.......9th generation American, in order for them to believe that I am American; and no I am not Sudanese, Nigerian, or whatever country configuration they imagine in their heads. But when you have to deal with that - and in the country of your birth, it makes a person want to make their lives easier on themselves - especially when this is not a isolated incident but a continual occurrence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There it is. Good explanation&#8230;.. Hamza21 this is a losing &#39;battle&#39; as long as people continue to only recognize the &#8220;Arabization&#8221; or better still&#8230;.the &#8220;foreignization&#8221; of  Islam &#8211; the terms&#8230;.wow.  Islam is everywhere wal-humdulillah. We need no more change our names than our shoes. We have to stop people&#39;s thinking that it is mandatory to change every aspect about their outer selves in order to be more &#8220;Muslim&#8221;. </p>
<p>I understand why people change their names, change their clothing style, start cooking lamb and rice solely when they used to cook pot roast. It is both a devaluation of the self, as well as a constant interrogation as to the validity of one&#39;s Islam &#8211; by other converts engaging in this radical change as well as foreign immigrants. </p>
<p>I should not have to explain to a immigrant Muslim that I am an American, daughter of an American, daughter or an American&#8230;&#8230;.9th generation American, in order for them to believe that I am American; and no I am not Sudanese, Nigerian, or whatever country configuration they imagine in their heads. But when you have to deal with that &#8211; and in the country of your birth, it makes a person want to make their lives easier on themselves &#8211; especially when this is not a isolated incident but a continual occurrence.</p>
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