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		<title>By: hellow0rld</title>
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		<dc:creator>hellow0rld</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Apr 2011 05:13:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Honestly...Find me one sahaaba, tabi&#039;ee, or tabi&#039; tabi&#039;ee who says that shaking hands with the opposite gender (except with old women as mentioned above) for fear of &#039;hardship or ill-feelings&#039; is permissible. Let me see the fatwa by Imam Ghazzali (RA) that shaking hands with women is permissible. Let me see the fatwa by Imam Nawawi (RA) saying that shaking hands with women is permissible. Or give me any of the great luminous &#039;ulemaa of the past who say that shaking hands with women is permissible. (Again i&#039;m not talking about old women.)

I don&#039;t know, I&#039;m not convinced..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Honestly&#8230;Find me one sahaaba, tabi&#8217;ee, or tabi&#8217; tabi&#8217;ee who says that shaking hands with the opposite gender (except with old women as mentioned above) for fear of &#8216;hardship or ill-feelings&#8217; is permissible. Let me see the fatwa by Imam Ghazzali (RA) that shaking hands with women is permissible. Let me see the fatwa by Imam Nawawi (RA) saying that shaking hands with women is permissible. Or give me any of the great luminous &#8216;ulemaa of the past who say that shaking hands with women is permissible. (Again i&#8217;m not talking about old women.)</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know, I&#8217;m not convinced..</p>
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		<title>By: poo</title>
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		<dc:creator>poo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Apr 2011 22:30:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One more thing. If a brother is having a tough time sticking to the deen because he&#039;s shaking hands with a woman, then I think he has other issues. Seriously...think about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One more thing. If a brother is having a tough time sticking to the deen because he&#8217;s shaking hands with a woman, then I think he has other issues. Seriously&#8230;think about it.</p>
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		<title>By: poo</title>
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		<dc:creator>poo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Apr 2011 22:29:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think what is even more difficult for brothers to stick to the deen is when you have laymen such as yourself pretending that they know more than scholars. Having a disagreement is one thing, but condemning them and saying they are ignorant (ie. bad fiqh) is arrogance, and showing no proof for your own opinion is stupidity. 

Let those who know speak! And let those who don&#039;t know stay silent!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think what is even more difficult for brothers to stick to the deen is when you have laymen such as yourself pretending that they know more than scholars. Having a disagreement is one thing, but condemning them and saying they are ignorant (ie. bad fiqh) is arrogance, and showing no proof for your own opinion is stupidity. </p>
<p>Let those who know speak! And let those who don&#8217;t know stay silent!</p>
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		<title>By: anon</title>
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		<dc:creator>anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Jan 2011 16:57:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There was an awards ceremony where the officiating female dignitary was giving big bear hugs and kisses on cheeks to both male and female recipients of the awards. It was televised on C-Span and a very dignified occasion. In the case where it would have looked bad or insulting to have refused this gesture, is this fatwa permitting the Muslim male to receive the hugs and kisses as well? Also, for the reverse gender case (i.e. the man giving the hugs and kisses to the female Muslim - should she accept so he doesn&#039;t feel bad)?

On a tangential note, usually I find americans really accommodating of different cultures and beliefs, especially if they are told up front, but discretely, about it. We have in religions alone orthodox jews, amish, sikh, mormons, buddhists -- you name it. And communities who live around them learn their ways and in general respect them.

I guess in the above situation, to sort of explain to the organizers and let the person know your preference about not shaking hands or touching the opposite gender. Americans are pretty cool and would accommodate that.

I&#039;ve actually found Americans get embarrassed and insulted when they discover these things later and say &quot;Why didn&#039;t you tell me!&quot; They feel like they were not trusted enough, and that you intentionally let them make a faux pas. This embarrasses them even more. On the flip side, we all know american non-muslims who are genuinely so pleased when they go around saying &quot;assalaamu alaikum&quot; to their muslim colleagues and neighbors. Americans are an open people, and I think they like to be given the benefit of the doubt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There was an awards ceremony where the officiating female dignitary was giving big bear hugs and kisses on cheeks to both male and female recipients of the awards. It was televised on C-Span and a very dignified occasion. In the case where it would have looked bad or insulting to have refused this gesture, is this fatwa permitting the Muslim male to receive the hugs and kisses as well? Also, for the reverse gender case (i.e. the man giving the hugs and kisses to the female Muslim &#8211; should she accept so he doesn&#8217;t feel bad)?</p>
<p>On a tangential note, usually I find americans really accommodating of different cultures and beliefs, especially if they are told up front, but discretely, about it. We have in religions alone orthodox jews, amish, sikh, mormons, buddhists &#8212; you name it. And communities who live around them learn their ways and in general respect them.</p>
<p>I guess in the above situation, to sort of explain to the organizers and let the person know your preference about not shaking hands or touching the opposite gender. Americans are pretty cool and would accommodate that.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve actually found Americans get embarrassed and insulted when they discover these things later and say &#8220;Why didn&#8217;t you tell me!&#8221; They feel like they were not trusted enough, and that you intentionally let them make a faux pas. This embarrasses them even more. On the flip side, we all know american non-muslims who are genuinely so pleased when they go around saying &#8220;assalaamu alaikum&#8221; to their muslim colleagues and neighbors. Americans are an open people, and I think they like to be given the benefit of the doubt.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Jan 2011 03:07:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope Allah (SWT) cures us from this state. This is a fatwa from one of the most senior scholars of the modern ulema&#039;, not just some guy. If you agree with it, then take it and ask Allah to accept our actions and forgive us if we are wrong, and if you take the stricter opinion, ask Allah to accept our actions and forgive those who may be in the wrong in this situation. 

And I would just like to add that I think that what Sh. Bin Bayyah says about the hardship makes sense. There are fragile situations in which it is more wise to shake the opposite genders hand. We need to also understand that it will most likely be someone who is not Muslims and does not know of the rules of Islam who initiates the shaking of the hand. What I believe is that if there is no realistic possibility of fully explaining why one did not shake their hand, they should simply shake it. For example, when one wins an award, they often shake hands with the sponsors of the award who could very possibly be non-Mahram non-Muslims. You probably never have talked to them before and probably will have minimal if any talk after, certainly not enough to explain why you couldn&#039;t shake their hand (not shaking someones hand could be seen as you degrading them in the US and other countries). We have to look at the logic behind rules in Islam. The principal object is to prevent desire, and a handshake hardly furnishes desire.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope Allah (SWT) cures us from this state. This is a fatwa from one of the most senior scholars of the modern ulema&#8217;, not just some guy. If you agree with it, then take it and ask Allah to accept our actions and forgive us if we are wrong, and if you take the stricter opinion, ask Allah to accept our actions and forgive those who may be in the wrong in this situation. </p>
<p>And I would just like to add that I think that what Sh. Bin Bayyah says about the hardship makes sense. There are fragile situations in which it is more wise to shake the opposite genders hand. We need to also understand that it will most likely be someone who is not Muslims and does not know of the rules of Islam who initiates the shaking of the hand. What I believe is that if there is no realistic possibility of fully explaining why one did not shake their hand, they should simply shake it. For example, when one wins an award, they often shake hands with the sponsors of the award who could very possibly be non-Mahram non-Muslims. You probably never have talked to them before and probably will have minimal if any talk after, certainly not enough to explain why you couldn&#8217;t shake their hand (not shaking someones hand could be seen as you degrading them in the US and other countries). We have to look at the logic behind rules in Islam. The principal object is to prevent desire, and a handshake hardly furnishes desire.</p>
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		<title>By: Louay2day</title>
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		<dc:creator>Louay2day</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jul 2010 06:51:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I strongly agree with this guy.  Not talking about shaking hands with the older women but for a man to shake a womans hand or vice versa because &quot;could lead to hardship or shared ill feelings and so forth?” That is absurd.  That is saying suck up to the people and make sure everyone is happy even if it means to disobey Allah and become a pp (people pleaser)....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I strongly agree with this guy.  Not talking about shaking hands with the older women but for a man to shake a womans hand or vice versa because &#8220;could lead to hardship or shared ill feelings and so forth?” That is absurd.  That is saying suck up to the people and make sure everyone is happy even if it means to disobey Allah and become a pp (people pleaser)&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: loveProphet</title>
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		<dc:creator>loveProphet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jun 2010 19:31:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Salam,

In addition to the logical comments of brother Laith, I ask, is there any scholar from the past and who was an authority of some nature at least, say that its allowed to touch a non-Mahram of the opposite gender?
If not, then we have a new opinion of Sheikh Qaradawi and it means that everyone else in the past was wrong. How is that possible, especially since the situation of touching the opposite gender is not new? Wouldn&#039;t that mean that the Salaf didn&#039;t allow the touching of women too(all the classical positions of the madhabs I found don&#039;t allow it)? Isn&#039;t the opinion of allowing it a bid&#039;a(a bad one for those who believe in differentiation)? 
Aren&#039;t there Hadiths about Allah protecting the Ummah from agreeing upon error?

Of course thats assuming no scholar held the opinion in the past(Sheikh Ramadan Buti said he heard of no difference of opinion in the past over this) and to date I haven&#039;t seen a single quote from the past scholars.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Salam,</p>
<p>In addition to the logical comments of brother Laith, I ask, is there any scholar from the past and who was an authority of some nature at least, say that its allowed to touch a non-Mahram of the opposite gender?<br />
If not, then we have a new opinion of Sheikh Qaradawi and it means that everyone else in the past was wrong. How is that possible, especially since the situation of touching the opposite gender is not new? Wouldn&#8217;t that mean that the Salaf didn&#8217;t allow the touching of women too(all the classical positions of the madhabs I found don&#8217;t allow it)? Isn&#8217;t the opinion of allowing it a bid&#8217;a(a bad one for those who believe in differentiation)?<br />
Aren&#8217;t there Hadiths about Allah protecting the Ummah from agreeing upon error?</p>
<p>Of course thats assuming no scholar held the opinion in the past(Sheikh Ramadan Buti said he heard of no difference of opinion in the past over this) and to date I haven&#8217;t seen a single quote from the past scholars.</p>
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		<title>By: Abu Laith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Abu Laith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 10:50:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>salaam

I personally accept the discussion being put for by sh QArdarwi on this subject . But the contention I have to sh bin bayyah&#039;s explanation seems to justify commuting an impermissible act for the sake of not causing offense. We could justify a lot of impermissble acts by this justification . 

Also is there any shara justification to permit abandoning a hukm for
The sake of not causig offense ? Similarly the haaja isn&#039;t a justification of commuting a haram sh bin bayyah wrote a detailed discussion on the diference between haaja and dharoora and some use principles of dharoora on matters which are haaja.

Finally I also believe it&#039;s an inacurate understanding of he reality particularly living in the west.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>salaam</p>
<p>I personally accept the discussion being put for by sh QArdarwi on this subject . But the contention I have to sh bin bayyah&#8217;s explanation seems to justify commuting an impermissible act for the sake of not causing offense. We could justify a lot of impermissble acts by this justification . </p>
<p>Also is there any shara justification to permit abandoning a hukm for<br />
The sake of not causig offense ? Similarly the haaja isn&#8217;t a justification of commuting a haram sh bin bayyah wrote a detailed discussion on the diference between haaja and dharoora and some use principles of dharoora on matters which are haaja.</p>
<p>Finally I also believe it&#8217;s an inacurate understanding of he reality particularly living in the west.</p>
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		<title>By: Abul-Hussein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Abul-Hussein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2008 04:27:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WM no issue, shukran,  this is the environment we want to cultivate respect for the scholars and respectfully differing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WM no issue, shukran,  this is the environment we want to cultivate respect for the scholars and respectfully differing.</p>
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		<title>By: WM</title>
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		<dc:creator>WM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 16:08:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just to clarify, if Sh Bin Bayyah ever visited my house I would kiss his hands.  I just don&#039;t agree with his fatwa.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to clarify, if Sh Bin Bayyah ever visited my house I would kiss his hands.  I just don&#8217;t agree with his fatwa.</p>
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