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		<title>By: Inspirit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Inspirit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jan 2012 19:35:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great article! In some ways, I think some khatibs need to be reminded or aware that women are present in Jumah, because they tend ot speak in third person about women or wives, and talk about how husbands and mean need to go home and do, rather than speaking to the women themselves. Furthermore, I never understood this notion that women are not obligated to go to Jumah. Where does that come from? I&#039;ve read the verse in Qur&#039;an about the Friday prayer and it makes no distinction about men or women leaving off business and traffic for the prayer. Nor have I heard anything about women during the Prophet&#039;s time, not being obligated to attend Friday prayer. Any answers?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article! In some ways, I think some khatibs need to be reminded or aware that women are present in Jumah, because they tend ot speak in third person about women or wives, and talk about how husbands and mean need to go home and do, rather than speaking to the women themselves. Furthermore, I never understood this notion that women are not obligated to go to Jumah. Where does that come from? I&#8217;ve read the verse in Qur&#8217;an about the Friday prayer and it makes no distinction about men or women leaving off business and traffic for the prayer. Nor have I heard anything about women during the Prophet&#8217;s time, not being obligated to attend Friday prayer. Any answers?</p>
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		<title>By: sakinah</title>
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		<dc:creator>sakinah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jan 2012 14:15:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Keep the barrier add CCTV. We really don&#039;t need to be in with them anyway, they&#039;re so weak; we don&#039;t need to be party to any excuses that they can&#039;t concentrate on the Khutbah because we&#039;re smelling so good and looking all pretty and colorful etc. etc. appreciate the concern but we&#039;re alright.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Keep the barrier add CCTV. We really don&#8217;t need to be in with them anyway, they&#8217;re so weak; we don&#8217;t need to be party to any excuses that they can&#8217;t concentrate on the Khutbah because we&#8217;re smelling so good and looking all pretty and colorful etc. etc. appreciate the concern but we&#8217;re alright.</p>
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		<title>By: Aminna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aminna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jan 2012 01:28:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for posting about this Imam Webb, I strongly think in an informal prayer setting like those held on school campuses should not have a barrier, it is true, facial expressions and gestures are important when it comes to listening to a speech and also, people are easily distracted i.e. day dreaming, playing with random objects, talking etc. when they can&#039;t see the speaker. If the barrier was SO necessary than there would be barriers set up in all of our mosques. If the speaker is speaking to a large body of Muslims (especially since Jumah prayers have a large turn ount) and can&#039;t lower his gaze (even when all the girls are wearing hijab because they are going to pray) than I suggest getting another speaker.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for posting about this Imam Webb, I strongly think in an informal prayer setting like those held on school campuses should not have a barrier, it is true, facial expressions and gestures are important when it comes to listening to a speech and also, people are easily distracted i.e. day dreaming, playing with random objects, talking etc. when they can&#8217;t see the speaker. If the barrier was SO necessary than there would be barriers set up in all of our mosques. If the speaker is speaking to a large body of Muslims (especially since Jumah prayers have a large turn ount) and can&#8217;t lower his gaze (even when all the girls are wearing hijab because they are going to pray) than I suggest getting another speaker.</p>
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		<title>By: Khutbs for all</title>
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		<dc:creator>Khutbs for all</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jan 2012 12:03:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with the sister, if there was no barrier during Omar(ra) time, we don&#039;t need one. Women should attend Jumma on regular bases. I know for myself if I do not go to the mosque, listen to a sheikh or get some kind of spritual activity, Shetaan starts pulling me away.
Sister should be able to come see the Imam and get the regular doze of spiritual uplifting. May Allah protect all of us from evil of Shetan and evil of Nafs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with the sister, if there was no barrier during Omar(ra) time, we don&#8217;t need one. Women should attend Jumma on regular bases. I know for myself if I do not go to the mosque, listen to a sheikh or get some kind of spritual activity, Shetaan starts pulling me away.<br />
Sister should be able to come see the Imam and get the regular doze of spiritual uplifting. May Allah protect all of us from evil of Shetan and evil of Nafs.</p>
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		<title>By: Pakistani</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pakistani</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Dec 2011 17:15:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I definitely agree with the writer here and am happy he has mentioned the fact that many men say, &quot;they don&#039;t need to come to the masjid anyway&quot;. I myself have received this response from someone who I asked to escort me to the local masjid.
In Pakistan Alhamdulillah it wasn&#039;t such a problem for me that we were separated from the men because they were many opportunities for me to find alimahs to help me out with any problems. When we moved to Malaysia, it proved to be a big problem because we didn&#039;t know any female scholars. The masjid I go to, however, has a great system where the women&#039;s area is abovestairs and overlooks the men&#039;s area. That way there are no distractions for anybody and it&#039;s very easy to locate your brother or father when the prayers are over :)
But I definitely agree with the writer and am grateful he brought this issue to light. Those women who don&#039;t rely on reading on body language are lucky, but I am unfortunately not. The expressions on the speaker&#039;s face and their body language emphasise points they are trying to make and have a greater effect on you - they move you.
I believe there should be no barrier, or only a small one if there is, between the men and women.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I definitely agree with the writer here and am happy he has mentioned the fact that many men say, &#8220;they don&#8217;t need to come to the masjid anyway&#8221;. I myself have received this response from someone who I asked to escort me to the local masjid.<br />
In Pakistan Alhamdulillah it wasn&#8217;t such a problem for me that we were separated from the men because they were many opportunities for me to find alimahs to help me out with any problems. When we moved to Malaysia, it proved to be a big problem because we didn&#8217;t know any female scholars. The masjid I go to, however, has a great system where the women&#8217;s area is abovestairs and overlooks the men&#8217;s area. That way there are no distractions for anybody and it&#8217;s very easy to locate your brother or father when the prayers are over <img src='http://www.suhaibwebb.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
But I definitely agree with the writer and am grateful he brought this issue to light. Those women who don&#8217;t rely on reading on body language are lucky, but I am unfortunately not. The expressions on the speaker&#8217;s face and their body language emphasise points they are trying to make and have a greater effect on you &#8211; they move you.<br />
I believe there should be no barrier, or only a small one if there is, between the men and women.</p>
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		<title>By: Dyhia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dyhia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Dec 2011 06:41:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Asma
&quot;so for this we only need our ears.&quot;
This is far from true. It is a known fact that communication doesn&#039;t consist of listening only but of many other aspects such as body language among others.
As for wearing the Niqab this isn&#039;t required in Islam and is rather a Bidaa from those who wan to impose it on the rest of us. I went to Hajj last year and didn&#039;t have to cover my face, and went around the Kaaba without any physical separation between men and women. 
Again I believe there are more important issues facing the Muslim community than  
wether a woman should be wearing Niqab or not.
Salam</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Asma<br />
&#8220;so for this we only need our ears.&#8221;<br />
This is far from true. It is a known fact that communication doesn&#8217;t consist of listening only but of many other aspects such as body language among others.<br />
As for wearing the Niqab this isn&#8217;t required in Islam and is rather a Bidaa from those who wan to impose it on the rest of us. I went to Hajj last year and didn&#8217;t have to cover my face, and went around the Kaaba without any physical separation between men and women.<br />
Again I believe there are more important issues facing the Muslim community than<br />
wether a woman should be wearing Niqab or not.<br />
Salam</p>
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		<title>By: Dyhia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dyhia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Dec 2011 06:38:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Fatima
Saudi Arabia is far from being a model of Islam. The way they treat women is far from the Islamic tradition: women can’t drive, can’t vote, or go out alone.
As for the Saudi men I have seen how they behave the minute they step outside their country. 
I will never take Saudi Arabia as a reference.

Unlike in Muslim countries, Muslims are a minority here in North America.  We need to feel a sense of belonging to the Muslim community. 
In Muslim countries it is different the Mosques are mainly a place to pray. In North America the mosque is more than a place of prayer. It is a place where people meet, where events are organized for the Muslim community etc.….

As for interacting with the opposite gender why is it wrong? I interact with the opposite gender at work, outside in the public space, why not in Mosque? 
I disagree with your reasoning.

The Muslim world wouldn&#039;t be so backward if Muslims were not so concerned about petty things and technicalities such as women being hidden from view inside the mosque, or whether to wear Niqab or Hijab. I wear Hijab but this doesn’t make me a better Muslim than one who doesn’t.  Those same men who are so strict about it are the ones you will find talking freely to Western women and chatting at length with them at work or in public places. I have witnessed many times their hypocrite behaviours.
One need only go to mosques to see how the Muslim community behaves whether during Eid prayers, Ramadan or Friday prayers: rude to each other, inconsiderate of others and not welcoming of new people.

How about men? Why don’t we talk about the way they dress when they go to the Mosque: low-cut jeans that reveal their underwear’s when they bend, tight pants…the dress code applies to men as well. 

We need to respect both sides: Women who want a physical barrier and those who don’t.  I like to be able to see the Imam and hate having a physical barrier, as long as there is enough space between the men’s section and the ladies. I don’t like it when I am being pushed to the back or in an isolated room full of out-f control children who make so much noise I can’t even hear</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Fatima<br />
Saudi Arabia is far from being a model of Islam. The way they treat women is far from the Islamic tradition: women can’t drive, can’t vote, or go out alone.<br />
As for the Saudi men I have seen how they behave the minute they step outside their country.<br />
I will never take Saudi Arabia as a reference.</p>
<p>Unlike in Muslim countries, Muslims are a minority here in North America.  We need to feel a sense of belonging to the Muslim community.<br />
In Muslim countries it is different the Mosques are mainly a place to pray. In North America the mosque is more than a place of prayer. It is a place where people meet, where events are organized for the Muslim community etc.….</p>
<p>As for interacting with the opposite gender why is it wrong? I interact with the opposite gender at work, outside in the public space, why not in Mosque?<br />
I disagree with your reasoning.</p>
<p>The Muslim world wouldn&#8217;t be so backward if Muslims were not so concerned about petty things and technicalities such as women being hidden from view inside the mosque, or whether to wear Niqab or Hijab. I wear Hijab but this doesn’t make me a better Muslim than one who doesn’t.  Those same men who are so strict about it are the ones you will find talking freely to Western women and chatting at length with them at work or in public places. I have witnessed many times their hypocrite behaviours.<br />
One need only go to mosques to see how the Muslim community behaves whether during Eid prayers, Ramadan or Friday prayers: rude to each other, inconsiderate of others and not welcoming of new people.</p>
<p>How about men? Why don’t we talk about the way they dress when they go to the Mosque: low-cut jeans that reveal their underwear’s when they bend, tight pants…the dress code applies to men as well. </p>
<p>We need to respect both sides: Women who want a physical barrier and those who don’t.  I like to be able to see the Imam and hate having a physical barrier, as long as there is enough space between the men’s section and the ladies. I don’t like it when I am being pushed to the back or in an isolated room full of out-f control children who make so much noise I can’t even hear</p>
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		<title>By: Asma</title>
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		<dc:creator>Asma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Dec 2011 23:09:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a sister, I personally disagree with removing the barrier between the men and women.  One small fitna leads to another until we begin thinking that a sin is not a sin anymore. 
Now, I don&#039;t mean that women shouldn&#039;t be allowed during kutbah or in the masjid to gain valuable knowledge, but it&#039;s unfortunate how women dress coming into the house of Allah.  If every women that walked into the masjid wore a niqab and abaya then I wouldn&#039;t see the need for a barrier.

There is no hidden meaning from a kutbah in terms of gestures or body language other than the actual words that come out of the mouth, so for this we only need our ears.

&quot;Why have we adopted this mentality that “the sisters don’t matter, because they don’ t have to come anyways”? Just cover them up and let them stay in the kitchen and give birth to children. The message we are sending our sisters — the mothers of our kids, the mothers of our Ummah –- is that their jobs are menial at best.&quot;

Brother, this is a western ideology and sisters roles are regarded just as important in Islam.  Our roles are different from our male counterparts but this doesn&#039;t mean  we are any less.  When we fulfill our roles in Islam, InshaAllah there is barakah in our lives.

Living in a western society, we sometimes associate our lives with ideas of the kufar and sometimes we need to step back and realize what our position is in Islam and the beauty of sisters and brothers roles as prescribed in Islam.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a sister, I personally disagree with removing the barrier between the men and women.  One small fitna leads to another until we begin thinking that a sin is not a sin anymore.<br />
Now, I don&#8217;t mean that women shouldn&#8217;t be allowed during kutbah or in the masjid to gain valuable knowledge, but it&#8217;s unfortunate how women dress coming into the house of Allah.  If every women that walked into the masjid wore a niqab and abaya then I wouldn&#8217;t see the need for a barrier.</p>
<p>There is no hidden meaning from a kutbah in terms of gestures or body language other than the actual words that come out of the mouth, so for this we only need our ears.</p>
<p>&#8220;Why have we adopted this mentality that “the sisters don’t matter, because they don’ t have to come anyways”? Just cover them up and let them stay in the kitchen and give birth to children. The message we are sending our sisters — the mothers of our kids, the mothers of our Ummah –- is that their jobs are menial at best.&#8221;</p>
<p>Brother, this is a western ideology and sisters roles are regarded just as important in Islam.  Our roles are different from our male counterparts but this doesn&#8217;t mean  we are any less.  When we fulfill our roles in Islam, InshaAllah there is barakah in our lives.</p>
<p>Living in a western society, we sometimes associate our lives with ideas of the kufar and sometimes we need to step back and realize what our position is in Islam and the beauty of sisters and brothers roles as prescribed in Islam.</p>
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		<title>By: Kerry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kerry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Dec 2011 01:00:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I recently attended a lecture by Imam Suhaib Webb in Boston. The only barrier was a rope down the middle of the prayer hall. This allowed sisters and brothers to sit up front near the Imam. I loved this setup. It makes me feel more involved and important. I believe that men are more then capable of controlling themselves in this setting and physical boundaries are not necessary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I recently attended a lecture by Imam Suhaib Webb in Boston. The only barrier was a rope down the middle of the prayer hall. This allowed sisters and brothers to sit up front near the Imam. I loved this setup. It makes me feel more involved and important. I believe that men are more then capable of controlling themselves in this setting and physical boundaries are not necessary.</p>
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		<title>By: Fatima</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fatima</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Dec 2011 12:02:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Today, there are multiple ways of learning about Islam, based on what you&#039;re comfortable with. Those who are busy or do not learn from sitting in a room listening to lecture can learn by research: reading or viewing lectures online as per their convenience. Others can attend focus groups. I think this article is about a society in which women are quite comfortable and un-self-conscious in the presence of men, which maybe a good thing in a way, but I believe it is always best to be a little self-conscious so that you filter what you say and keep a check on how you behave in the presence of the opposite gender.

In Saudi Arabia, there is almost no interaction between men and women, and there are designated public spaces (including ladies&#039; malls) for women alone, designed exclusively to cater to women&#039;s needs than to a common denominator between men and women. To be honest, the common denominator system rarely exists, because almost all spaces are designed considering men (ie the majority) as the users. So women rarely get justice in mixed spaces. Saudi Arabia being a rich country with considerable wealth allotted to religious development, women have as many facilities as men in mosques: separate entry spaces, lighting, ventilation, air-conditioning, sound system, and ablution spaces are often larger and specifically designed for more convenience to women. Women feel free and do not need to keep adjusting their hijab or lowering their voices, or being careful about not attracting attention to themselves in such spaces. So it is possible to learn and be part of the Islamic community without having to share space with men or even to interact with them, as vice-versa.

In India, it is almost the opposite. Hardly any mosques have women&#039;s sections, forget asking for equally comfortable facilities. It is very uncommon for women to visit the mosque, as women have been homemakers for centuries and have always taken the option of not attending the qutbah or prayer in jamaat. As a result, there are no qutbahs that address women&#039;s issues, on the contrary they create a more male-centric/ male-dominant feeling in their all-male audience, which is not very difficult to create. Which puts off women from starting to consider going to a qutbah. Now, as more women are working, and becoming independently mobile, many new malls and corporate companies have designated prayer rooms with air-conditioning and plush mats, as well as chairs for the elderly. During Islamic delegations, open-air arrangements are made without visual barriers but demarcations between men and women. Women, being at the back can hardly see the speaker, being so great in number (usually in black garb) can hardly be seen by the speaker; screens are put up to relay the image of the speaker to the audience in the distance. However, these spaces are privately-owned and the decision to provide these facilities was with the owners. The Muslim community needs to take the decision to include women in the public realm with a view to helping women become better Muslims and valuing women&#039;s contribution to society.

Women need to stop aspiring to become the human ideal, ie male. The male is hardly an ideal; men and women are different and will never be able to be comfortable in spaces designed for the opposite gender, or in spaces designed for the common denominator.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Today, there are multiple ways of learning about Islam, based on what you&#8217;re comfortable with. Those who are busy or do not learn from sitting in a room listening to lecture can learn by research: reading or viewing lectures online as per their convenience. Others can attend focus groups. I think this article is about a society in which women are quite comfortable and un-self-conscious in the presence of men, which maybe a good thing in a way, but I believe it is always best to be a little self-conscious so that you filter what you say and keep a check on how you behave in the presence of the opposite gender.</p>
<p>In Saudi Arabia, there is almost no interaction between men and women, and there are designated public spaces (including ladies&#8217; malls) for women alone, designed exclusively to cater to women&#8217;s needs than to a common denominator between men and women. To be honest, the common denominator system rarely exists, because almost all spaces are designed considering men (ie the majority) as the users. So women rarely get justice in mixed spaces. Saudi Arabia being a rich country with considerable wealth allotted to religious development, women have as many facilities as men in mosques: separate entry spaces, lighting, ventilation, air-conditioning, sound system, and ablution spaces are often larger and specifically designed for more convenience to women. Women feel free and do not need to keep adjusting their hijab or lowering their voices, or being careful about not attracting attention to themselves in such spaces. So it is possible to learn and be part of the Islamic community without having to share space with men or even to interact with them, as vice-versa.</p>
<p>In India, it is almost the opposite. Hardly any mosques have women&#8217;s sections, forget asking for equally comfortable facilities. It is very uncommon for women to visit the mosque, as women have been homemakers for centuries and have always taken the option of not attending the qutbah or prayer in jamaat. As a result, there are no qutbahs that address women&#8217;s issues, on the contrary they create a more male-centric/ male-dominant feeling in their all-male audience, which is not very difficult to create. Which puts off women from starting to consider going to a qutbah. Now, as more women are working, and becoming independently mobile, many new malls and corporate companies have designated prayer rooms with air-conditioning and plush mats, as well as chairs for the elderly. During Islamic delegations, open-air arrangements are made without visual barriers but demarcations between men and women. Women, being at the back can hardly see the speaker, being so great in number (usually in black garb) can hardly be seen by the speaker; screens are put up to relay the image of the speaker to the audience in the distance. However, these spaces are privately-owned and the decision to provide these facilities was with the owners. The Muslim community needs to take the decision to include women in the public realm with a view to helping women become better Muslims and valuing women&#8217;s contribution to society.</p>
<p>Women need to stop aspiring to become the human ideal, ie male. The male is hardly an ideal; men and women are different and will never be able to be comfortable in spaces designed for the opposite gender, or in spaces designed for the common denominator.</p>
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