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	<title>Comments on: Irshad Manji and Dalia Mogahed &#8211; Who Speaks for Islam?</title>
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		<title>By: Mohd Faiz Sabri</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mohd Faiz Sabri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 14:53:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Assalamualaikum (Peace be unto you)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;unfortunately, i only manage to watch half of this discussion due to my bad internet connection. Can anyone tell me how can i download this video online and watch it peacefully without any distraction from bad connection. Pls reply through my email if possible tyvm.</description>
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<p>unfortunately, i only manage to watch half of this discussion due to my bad internet connection. Can anyone tell me how can i download this video online and watch it peacefully without any distraction from bad connection. Pls reply through my email if possible tyvm.</p>
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		<title>By: Haq</title>
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		<dc:creator>Haq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 00:11:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>00:39 = Confirmation of the Prophet&#039;s (s) Hadith!&lt;br&gt;and May Allah bless sis Dalia..</description>
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		<title>By: Haq</title>
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		<dc:creator>Haq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 00:00:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Again, Islam is on the defence, the provocations of those who carry out such actions are ignored. I wonder what these so called &quot;reform&quot; minded &#039;Muslims&#039; intend to do with this hyper liberal attitude. Im all for this fiqh of minorities and understanding context etc.. when doing Fiqh but its also good to remember the verse &quot;The Jews and the Christians will never be pleased with you until you follow their way&quot; (Baqarah). I think, and i am reminding myself really, is that how far can we go in contextualising our Fiqh? We emphasis fiqh and usul and qawaaid and maqaasid in understanding and applying Fiqh, but are we also responsible for giving birth to the likes of Irshad Manji, a hyper ijtihadi mentality were we dismiss our fiqh heritage because we happen to live in the 21st Century? If this is how things are going to end up, then i guess Taqleed was not so bad after all, and I can see the wisdom behind it now. Just a few thoughts, but it saddens and scares me when i see people tampering with Fiqh to issue rulings that go against, as what i know, rulings which have reached consensus like the Hijab, women marrying non-Muslim men. See, if a women does not like the fact that Allah prohibited women from marrying Non-Muslim men, she needs to really ask herself, does she really want to be a Muslim? because there is a point where facilitation stops and submission steps in, Its simply a matter of &quot;God said no, so accept it&quot; simply as. Again facilitation is definetly an important concept, but too much harbours cowardliness and weakness, and an attitude of always taking the easy way out. &lt;br&gt;I dont know if im making sense, its late, but i just felt a bit disturbed by this hyper liberalness and now they are even identifying themselves as &quot;Reform Muslims&quot;, I guess they are following in the paths of the Jews who have Orthodox, Refom and Conservative (Ring any bells?? &gt; Hadith of the Prophet  (S) saying we are going to follow them in everything?)&lt;br&gt;Wallahu al-Musta&#039;aan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Again, Islam is on the defence, the provocations of those who carry out such actions are ignored. I wonder what these so called &#8220;reform&#8221; minded &#39;Muslims&#39; intend to do with this hyper liberal attitude. Im all for this fiqh of minorities and understanding context etc.. when doing Fiqh but its also good to remember the verse &#8220;The Jews and the Christians will never be pleased with you until you follow their way&#8221; (Baqarah). I think, and i am reminding myself really, is that how far can we go in contextualising our Fiqh? We emphasis fiqh and usul and qawaaid and maqaasid in understanding and applying Fiqh, but are we also responsible for giving birth to the likes of Irshad Manji, a hyper ijtihadi mentality were we dismiss our fiqh heritage because we happen to live in the 21st Century? If this is how things are going to end up, then i guess Taqleed was not so bad after all, and I can see the wisdom behind it now. Just a few thoughts, but it saddens and scares me when i see people tampering with Fiqh to issue rulings that go against, as what i know, rulings which have reached consensus like the Hijab, women marrying non-Muslim men. See, if a women does not like the fact that Allah prohibited women from marrying Non-Muslim men, she needs to really ask herself, does she really want to be a Muslim? because there is a point where facilitation stops and submission steps in, Its simply a matter of &#8220;God said no, so accept it&#8221; simply as. Again facilitation is definetly an important concept, but too much harbours cowardliness and weakness, and an attitude of always taking the easy way out. <br />I dont know if im making sense, its late, but i just felt a bit disturbed by this hyper liberalness and now they are even identifying themselves as &#8220;Reform Muslims&#8221;, I guess they are following in the paths of the Jews who have Orthodox, Refom and Conservative (Ring any bells?? &gt; Hadith of the Prophet  (S) saying we are going to follow them in everything?)<br />Wallahu al-Musta&#39;aan</p>
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		<title>By: sunspots1</title>
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		<dc:creator>sunspots1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 22:09:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had never watched this video before. Subhan-Allah I HAVE A HEADACHE. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Y&#039;all Make DUA for this Ummah and get your lives right. PLEASE. Ya Allah have mercy on Dalia and increase her, and bestow on her light from Your Light - Ameen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had never watched this video before. Subhan-Allah I HAVE A HEADACHE. </p>
<p>Y&#39;all Make DUA for this Ummah and get your lives right. PLEASE. Ya Allah have mercy on Dalia and increase her, and bestow on her light from Your Light &#8211; Ameen.</p>
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		<title>By: Abul-Hussein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Abul-Hussein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 13:37:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>as&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;There are a number of issues that it was my desire to express but due to time constraints have opted to remain silent on the vast majority of them and limit myself instead to a few remarks. In brief and fairness and honesty Irshad Manji is correct in saying that the Ulema are not in the front lines engaging although one can disagree with her intent and desire for engagement that is her vision of reform. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;She makes clear the problem of lack in bridging sound scholarship to the people. In fact, she herself is evidence of the lack we have in the West in qualified scholarship engaging society. This essentially is typical of the problem of having an increasingly educated population in every field of learning but Islam. What we have is vast majorities of Muslims that are illiterate Islamically. Likewise, this phenomena is another proof that there in the Muslim community here and abroad a tension between Islamic scholarship and the University educated we have failed to bridge the gap between tradition and University.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;On another note, although one can strongly and legitimately disagree with Irshad Manji who is in philosophical terms a post-modernist of the queer theory school claiming reform it is important to understand that she has grabbed some serious concepts which are employed by revivalist thinkers. These concepts are terms such as: &quot;ijtihad,&quot; &quot;social reality,&quot; &quot;understanding interpretation&quot; as long as we continue to engage tradition and the sources of Islam in a mindless manner without patience, and understanding the discourse of revival will be co-opted ignorantly by the liberalist tendency in all its colors. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Irshad Manji has done no more than marry Islamic symbols to promotion activism and postmodern queer theory. She is fighting for the power of interpretation, harnessing the power of media no more no less. If anything, she is active and involved. Whether we like it or not the question now is where are the other voices Dalia has stepped up to the table will we? &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Unfortunately, this type of debate will continue in the West until a reference for scholarship based on merit is established in the West. In closing let it be noted for the record that as a pre-requisite to Islamic literacy there is a dire need to cultivate &quot;respect&#039; for dialogue, difference and the attitude necessary for serious scholarship literacy without these will mean little in my estimation because it will be overshadowed by whim and emotion rather than principles and devotion. It is my hope that we learn the importance of having qualified active engaged scholars in these type forums to date that is lacking.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Peace</description>
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<p>There are a number of issues that it was my desire to express but due to time constraints have opted to remain silent on the vast majority of them and limit myself instead to a few remarks. In brief and fairness and honesty Irshad Manji is correct in saying that the Ulema are not in the front lines engaging although one can disagree with her intent and desire for engagement that is her vision of reform. </p>
<p>She makes clear the problem of lack in bridging sound scholarship to the people. In fact, she herself is evidence of the lack we have in the West in qualified scholarship engaging society. This essentially is typical of the problem of having an increasingly educated population in every field of learning but Islam. What we have is vast majorities of Muslims that are illiterate Islamically. Likewise, this phenomena is another proof that there in the Muslim community here and abroad a tension between Islamic scholarship and the University educated we have failed to bridge the gap between tradition and University.</p>
<p>On another note, although one can strongly and legitimately disagree with Irshad Manji who is in philosophical terms a post-modernist of the queer theory school claiming reform it is important to understand that she has grabbed some serious concepts which are employed by revivalist thinkers. These concepts are terms such as: &#8220;ijtihad,&#8221; &#8220;social reality,&#8221; &#8220;understanding interpretation&#8221; as long as we continue to engage tradition and the sources of Islam in a mindless manner without patience, and understanding the discourse of revival will be co-opted ignorantly by the liberalist tendency in all its colors. </p>
<p>Irshad Manji has done no more than marry Islamic symbols to promotion activism and postmodern queer theory. She is fighting for the power of interpretation, harnessing the power of media no more no less. If anything, she is active and involved. Whether we like it or not the question now is where are the other voices Dalia has stepped up to the table will we? </p>
<p>Unfortunately, this type of debate will continue in the West until a reference for scholarship based on merit is established in the West. In closing let it be noted for the record that as a pre-requisite to Islamic literacy there is a dire need to cultivate &#8220;respect&#39; for dialogue, difference and the attitude necessary for serious scholarship literacy without these will mean little in my estimation because it will be overshadowed by whim and emotion rather than principles and devotion. It is my hope that we learn the importance of having qualified active engaged scholars in these type forums to date that is lacking.</p>
<p>Peace</p>
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		<title>By: Nikolai Goutos</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nikolai Goutos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 00:47:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s still there in the video,  

Located at 51:30

I know... it&#039;s priceless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s still there in the video,  </p>
<p>Located at 51:30</p>
<p>I know&#8230; it&#8217;s priceless.</p>
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		<title>By: Jessica</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jessica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 03:58:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought that at the end of the video the host says saomthing like &quot;There&#039;s too much ruminating going on here&quot; which was obviously a little bit of a slam towards Irshad Manji.

So how come I don&#039;t see it anywhere in the video anymore?
Has it been omitted?

Jess.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought that at the end of the video the host says saomthing like &#8220;There&#8217;s too much ruminating going on here&#8221; which was obviously a little bit of a slam towards Irshad Manji.</p>
<p>So how come I don&#8217;t see it anywhere in the video anymore?<br />
Has it been omitted?</p>
<p>Jess.</p>
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		<title>By: nuh ibn</title>
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		<dc:creator>nuh ibn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 13:37:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As salaam alaikum.

I enjoyed this video and think that Sister Dalia came off as a very balanced and rational academic. Sister Irshad pontificates without anything but subjective proofs.

Ma&#039;as salaama,
nuh ibn</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As salaam alaikum.</p>
<p>I enjoyed this video and think that Sister Dalia came off as a very balanced and rational academic. Sister Irshad pontificates without anything but subjective proofs.</p>
<p>Ma&#8217;as salaama,<br />
nuh ibn</p>
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		<title>By: Bhavesh Sudharri</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bhavesh Sudharri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2008 03:19:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love seeing how cool and collected Dalia is.  

Right at the beginning of this video watch how nervous Irshad is, she keeps figeting (touching the card around her neck, adjusting her shirt, moving her purse to the other side of the chair).  She knew she was gonna get it from Dalia, and rightfully so in my opinion.  

The crowd seems to be all pro-Irshad though so once again it doesn&#039;t seem like a completely fair debate concerning whose in attendance. 

I wonder why Irshad isn&#039;t posting this on her website or her YouTube channel?  Not so perfect are ya Irshad.  But keep trying to portray yourself that way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love seeing how cool and collected Dalia is.  </p>
<p>Right at the beginning of this video watch how nervous Irshad is, she keeps figeting (touching the card around her neck, adjusting her shirt, moving her purse to the other side of the chair).  She knew she was gonna get it from Dalia, and rightfully so in my opinion.  </p>
<p>The crowd seems to be all pro-Irshad though so once again it doesn&#8217;t seem like a completely fair debate concerning whose in attendance. </p>
<p>I wonder why Irshad isn&#8217;t posting this on her website or her YouTube channel?  Not so perfect are ya Irshad.  But keep trying to portray yourself that way.</p>
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		<title>By: J</title>
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		<dc:creator>J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 14:40:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MashAllah, Sister Dalia is very well-spoken and knowledgeable. May Allah increase her in knowledge and success, and may Allah increase people like her.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MashAllah, Sister Dalia is very well-spoken and knowledgeable. May Allah increase her in knowledge and success, and may Allah increase people like her.</p>
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