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		<title>By: Saif</title>
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		<dc:creator>Saif</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 05:08:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Salam Alaikum Ustadh,

You may want to get in touch with Shaykh Rachid al-Ghannoushi and post something about his work and his efforts towards making things better in Tunisia. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Salam Alaikum Ustadh,</p>
<p>You may want to get in touch with Shaykh Rachid al-Ghannoushi and post something about his work and his efforts towards making things better in Tunisia. <img src='http://www.suhaibwebb.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Nomad78</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nomad78</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 13:51:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Salamu Alikum,

Brother Youssef if I may I would like to comment on your post. To some extent I agree with you about the harsh tone and seemingly &quot;trivial&quot; matters of discussion that happen in some of these events. But there are two problems with this phenomenon.
One, is that some of the speakers do not fully comprehend the Quranic command
(ولو كنت فظا غليظ القلب لانفضوا من حولك) (If you were vulgar/rude and hard of heart they would scatter from around you) and this is a phenomenon I have noticed since moving to North America 12 years ago and in a lot of masjids the Khutbah focus on what is Haram and does not deal with what can be done to help you live your life Islamically in a non-muslim country. But this phenomenon is reciprocated by another more dangerous one in my humble opinion which is the fact that when people are faced by the &quot;threat&quot; of a non-muslim society to the Islamic way of life they tend to bounce back to the way they grew up in an Islamic country. Unfortunately as we all know, the lines between culture and religion become blurred and people can not distinguish between what is &quot;this is Islamically correct&quot; and &quot;this is what I grew up with&quot; and they seem to hang on to trivialities.
NOW, AND I AM USING CAP LOCK HERE NOT TO SCREAM BUT TO MAE SURE THAT EVERYONE WHO READS THIS IS CLEAR ABOUT THIS POINT. HIJAB, IS NOT A TRIVIALITY, IT IS AN ESSENTIAL ASPECT OF THE MUSLIM IDENTITY AND SHOULD BE WORN WITH PRIDE AND CONVICTION. 
Progressive, moderate, conservative are all political terms coined to make the lines even blurrier. Take a look at American politics for example and even though I consider myself &quot;conservative&quot; I do not want to be mixed with the &quot;conservatives&quot; in the view of the American public, nor would I want to be a &quot;liberal&quot;. 
A muslim is a muslim. There are shades of faith and there are levels of Iman but Allah is the judge of that not you me or any sheikh. Having said that though, it is safer brother for one to admit their own short coming to themselves اذا بليتم فاستتروا and take proper steps towards strengthening their Iman. As far as those events go, ask the question of why and see what evidence the sheikh comes up with and see what other trusted SCHOLARS say and make your choice. After all that is what you are going to be judged on by Allah; your choice and whether it was well/ill informed.
I wish you, and the rest of our muslim ummah, the best akhi.
Salam,
Nomad78</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Salamu Alikum,</p>
<p>Brother Youssef if I may I would like to comment on your post. To some extent I agree with you about the harsh tone and seemingly &#8220;trivial&#8221; matters of discussion that happen in some of these events. But there are two problems with this phenomenon.<br />
One, is that some of the speakers do not fully comprehend the Quranic command<br />
(ولو كنت فظا غليظ القلب لانفضوا من حولك) (If you were vulgar/rude and hard of heart they would scatter from around you) and this is a phenomenon I have noticed since moving to North America 12 years ago and in a lot of masjids the Khutbah focus on what is Haram and does not deal with what can be done to help you live your life Islamically in a non-muslim country. But this phenomenon is reciprocated by another more dangerous one in my humble opinion which is the fact that when people are faced by the &#8220;threat&#8221; of a non-muslim society to the Islamic way of life they tend to bounce back to the way they grew up in an Islamic country. Unfortunately as we all know, the lines between culture and religion become blurred and people can not distinguish between what is &#8220;this is Islamically correct&#8221; and &#8220;this is what I grew up with&#8221; and they seem to hang on to trivialities.<br />
NOW, AND I AM USING CAP LOCK HERE NOT TO SCREAM BUT TO MAE SURE THAT EVERYONE WHO READS THIS IS CLEAR ABOUT THIS POINT. HIJAB, IS NOT A TRIVIALITY, IT IS AN ESSENTIAL ASPECT OF THE MUSLIM IDENTITY AND SHOULD BE WORN WITH PRIDE AND CONVICTION.<br />
Progressive, moderate, conservative are all political terms coined to make the lines even blurrier. Take a look at American politics for example and even though I consider myself &#8220;conservative&#8221; I do not want to be mixed with the &#8220;conservatives&#8221; in the view of the American public, nor would I want to be a &#8220;liberal&#8221;.<br />
A muslim is a muslim. There are shades of faith and there are levels of Iman but Allah is the judge of that not you me or any sheikh. Having said that though, it is safer brother for one to admit their own short coming to themselves اذا بليتم فاستتروا and take proper steps towards strengthening their Iman. As far as those events go, ask the question of why and see what evidence the sheikh comes up with and see what other trusted SCHOLARS say and make your choice. After all that is what you are going to be judged on by Allah; your choice and whether it was well/ill informed.<br />
I wish you, and the rest of our muslim ummah, the best akhi.<br />
Salam,<br />
Nomad78</p>
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		<title>By: Youssef</title>
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		<dc:creator>Youssef</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 06:15:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brother Suhaib,

Salamou alaykoum,

I am new to this forum, I have heard of you and of your blog through my beloved wife who in turn was referred to it through the MCA in Santa Clara. We both attend some classes there and in other mosques as well and quite frankly I am concerned about a phenomenon that is taking place in bay area muslim community. Before I do that, let me first commend on your efforts to introduce Islam to the American people; may Allah reward you for your efforts in this life and in the hereafter. I am going to try to be as concise as possible, and not diverge from the topic of the post above. I&#039;d like to share some of my remarks and concerns as it portrays to my experience so far with MCA and other organizations and mosques although not as large but also affecting the community in general. Some of these organization give introductory classes on Islam to new muslims, others invite speakers to shed light on  other aspects  of Islam, while larger organization hold seminars that span weeks over a subject matter. These are great initiatives and surely well intended efforts, but there  something that struck me as I started to further explore the environment of these classes and talks. Quite frankly, i am troubled by tendencies of these speakers and audience at MCA for instance to always emphasize the &quot;bad deeds and lifestyles&quot; of what I consider moderate muslims, labeling them as liberals or progressives, some times demonizing them, other times mocking them. These are muslims who&#039;s only fault is to have a different take or understanding about say shaking a woman&#039;s hand or befriending a non muslim. My issue is not really the fact that this is happening, for I believe everyone has the right to view a certain behavior as too liberal or too conservative in these post modern times. My concerns is really that while these views are being expressed by both the speakers and attendees, the former never take the time to mention or warn about the extremism that is happening on the other end of the spectrum: the &quot;goulouw&quot; in religion and the rigid reading and interpretation of the quraninc text; I am not speaking about politics, terrorism, or anything of the sort, but rather about issues that affect people on the daily basis such as the portrayal of moderate muslims as fake muslims so to speak. A talk addressed to or about folks who are attached to the image of islam or its religious trappings, who think that acting islamic begins and ends by putting a scarf on their head or growing facial hair, and proceed to then question the piety of other attendees; who simply assume that no one is real muslim unless they do these things. In fact, many of the questions asked during these &quot;classes&quot; or &quot;talks&quot; are rhetorical questions aimed at making people uncomfortable either to entice confrontation or to create a Madrassa-like environment! &quot;What is the punishment of people who hang pictures in their houses?&quot; This is a question I actually remember because I just heard it last week in one of the classes in the bay area, and it seems to me that many attendees come to these classes in order to preach, not learn! Unfortunately, the speakers and instructors do not make note of this phenomenon, in fact the mainstream idea inside mosques and during any community gathering -say a picknick or a Eid Fitr gathering- is that if you do not have a scarf on your head or some facial hair, you are either not a full muslim! Classes and talks became a holy event! Another and more alarming example I will mention is when when a speaker asked the &quot;class&quot; if they believed that in general, poeple who call themselves muslims today around the world are indeed muslims. Almost everyone in the class said &quot;no&quot; which was surprising tome since the teacher spent the last ten or fifteen minutes speaking negatively about the so called progressive muslims. I am sure that he probably did not intend for this coorelation to be made and the conclusion to be drawn and that&#039;s understandable; but I was stunned that the teacher found this an acceptable answer and not even worth discussing. How can such a question be asked to an audience of twenty, half of which haven&#039;t even been muslims for a year (not to downplay their knowledge, but  there is a due process involving this kind of judgment); and most importantly how can such answer not be elaborated on or discussed? It seems to me that the muslim organization are more focused on doing outreach programs to non muslims while letting people already muslims on their own, judging each other and cultivating narrow minded ideas and attitudes. It goes without saying that my comments are not directed at you personally. I am merely sharing my opinion with you and the readers; I also should mention that I&#039;ve lived in the bay area for about four years only and that there might be other aspects I have not gotten to experience or witness. However, what I have noticed so far appears to be consistent and ingrained in people&#039;s mind. Allah knows best!

Concerning the topic above, and in connection with what I said above, please allow me to ask you the following: What is your opinion on the role of the state to protect the cultural identity of its people, prevent the instrumentalisation of Islam for political gains, and about the necessity of an oversight of the religious institutions in muslim countries by their respective governments?

Thanks!

Youssef B.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brother Suhaib,</p>
<p>Salamou alaykoum,</p>
<p>I am new to this forum, I have heard of you and of your blog through my beloved wife who in turn was referred to it through the MCA in Santa Clara. We both attend some classes there and in other mosques as well and quite frankly I am concerned about a phenomenon that is taking place in bay area muslim community. Before I do that, let me first commend on your efforts to introduce Islam to the American people; may Allah reward you for your efforts in this life and in the hereafter. I am going to try to be as concise as possible, and not diverge from the topic of the post above. I&#8217;d like to share some of my remarks and concerns as it portrays to my experience so far with MCA and other organizations and mosques although not as large but also affecting the community in general. Some of these organization give introductory classes on Islam to new muslims, others invite speakers to shed light on  other aspects  of Islam, while larger organization hold seminars that span weeks over a subject matter. These are great initiatives and surely well intended efforts, but there  something that struck me as I started to further explore the environment of these classes and talks. Quite frankly, i am troubled by tendencies of these speakers and audience at MCA for instance to always emphasize the &#8220;bad deeds and lifestyles&#8221; of what I consider moderate muslims, labeling them as liberals or progressives, some times demonizing them, other times mocking them. These are muslims who&#8217;s only fault is to have a different take or understanding about say shaking a woman&#8217;s hand or befriending a non muslim. My issue is not really the fact that this is happening, for I believe everyone has the right to view a certain behavior as too liberal or too conservative in these post modern times. My concerns is really that while these views are being expressed by both the speakers and attendees, the former never take the time to mention or warn about the extremism that is happening on the other end of the spectrum: the &#8220;goulouw&#8221; in religion and the rigid reading and interpretation of the quraninc text; I am not speaking about politics, terrorism, or anything of the sort, but rather about issues that affect people on the daily basis such as the portrayal of moderate muslims as fake muslims so to speak. A talk addressed to or about folks who are attached to the image of islam or its religious trappings, who think that acting islamic begins and ends by putting a scarf on their head or growing facial hair, and proceed to then question the piety of other attendees; who simply assume that no one is real muslim unless they do these things. In fact, many of the questions asked during these &#8220;classes&#8221; or &#8220;talks&#8221; are rhetorical questions aimed at making people uncomfortable either to entice confrontation or to create a Madrassa-like environment! &#8220;What is the punishment of people who hang pictures in their houses?&#8221; This is a question I actually remember because I just heard it last week in one of the classes in the bay area, and it seems to me that many attendees come to these classes in order to preach, not learn! Unfortunately, the speakers and instructors do not make note of this phenomenon, in fact the mainstream idea inside mosques and during any community gathering -say a picknick or a Eid Fitr gathering- is that if you do not have a scarf on your head or some facial hair, you are either not a full muslim! Classes and talks became a holy event! Another and more alarming example I will mention is when when a speaker asked the &#8220;class&#8221; if they believed that in general, poeple who call themselves muslims today around the world are indeed muslims. Almost everyone in the class said &#8220;no&#8221; which was surprising tome since the teacher spent the last ten or fifteen minutes speaking negatively about the so called progressive muslims. I am sure that he probably did not intend for this coorelation to be made and the conclusion to be drawn and that&#8217;s understandable; but I was stunned that the teacher found this an acceptable answer and not even worth discussing. How can such a question be asked to an audience of twenty, half of which haven&#8217;t even been muslims for a year (not to downplay their knowledge, but  there is a due process involving this kind of judgment); and most importantly how can such answer not be elaborated on or discussed? It seems to me that the muslim organization are more focused on doing outreach programs to non muslims while letting people already muslims on their own, judging each other and cultivating narrow minded ideas and attitudes. It goes without saying that my comments are not directed at you personally. I am merely sharing my opinion with you and the readers; I also should mention that I&#8217;ve lived in the bay area for about four years only and that there might be other aspects I have not gotten to experience or witness. However, what I have noticed so far appears to be consistent and ingrained in people&#8217;s mind. Allah knows best!</p>
<p>Concerning the topic above, and in connection with what I said above, please allow me to ask you the following: What is your opinion on the role of the state to protect the cultural identity of its people, prevent the instrumentalisation of Islam for political gains, and about the necessity of an oversight of the religious institutions in muslim countries by their respective governments?</p>
<p>Thanks!</p>
<p>Youssef B.</p>
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		<title>By: MT.Akbar</title>
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		<dc:creator>MT.Akbar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 04:31:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Li Kulli Dhalim al-Yawm...May Allah help the Tunisian and give them faith upon faith. I am not someone who makes takfeer and wont enter upon that as I am someone with little knowledge but someone who changes Allah&#039;s law and believes it is ok, isn&#039;t that the definition of istihlal? IF that&#039;s the case, looks like its pretty clear that the leaders are calling to ma3siya.
Allah guide is to what pleases Him.

-MT</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Li Kulli Dhalim al-Yawm&#8230;May Allah help the Tunisian and give them faith upon faith. I am not someone who makes takfeer and wont enter upon that as I am someone with little knowledge but someone who changes Allah&#8217;s law and believes it is ok, isn&#8217;t that the definition of istihlal? IF that&#8217;s the case, looks like its pretty clear that the leaders are calling to ma3siya.<br />
Allah guide is to what pleases Him.</p>
<p>-MT</p>
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		<title>By: lamia</title>
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		<dc:creator>lamia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 01:55:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s just amazing when you see the situation there in Tunisia. It&#039;s funny: a Muslim land where Muslims have no liberty to practice Islam. 

I know a sister who moved from Tunisia officially for studies but in fact she just wanted to be free, wear her hijab because she couldn&#039;t in Tunisia. She said me that her brothers have a lot of difficulties with the police coz they wear the beard and go to the masjid.

So yes here in some non Muslims countries we have difficulties to practice Islam but we &quot;can&quot; understand coz this is not a Muslim country. We just have to recognize that it&#039;s more easy to practice our faith here than Tunisia for example!

And I don&#039;t know if you know that our brother Tariq Ramadan said a lot of critics about the liberties in Tunisia and because of those critics now he can&#039;t go to Tunisia. He&#039;s not allowed to go there like Arabia Saudi too!  

All of us have to remember them in our supplications. 

We have wonderful arm is our du’as, don’t forget this!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s just amazing when you see the situation there in Tunisia. It&#8217;s funny: a Muslim land where Muslims have no liberty to practice Islam. </p>
<p>I know a sister who moved from Tunisia officially for studies but in fact she just wanted to be free, wear her hijab because she couldn&#8217;t in Tunisia. She said me that her brothers have a lot of difficulties with the police coz they wear the beard and go to the masjid.</p>
<p>So yes here in some non Muslims countries we have difficulties to practice Islam but we &#8220;can&#8221; understand coz this is not a Muslim country. We just have to recognize that it&#8217;s more easy to practice our faith here than Tunisia for example!</p>
<p>And I don&#8217;t know if you know that our brother Tariq Ramadan said a lot of critics about the liberties in Tunisia and because of those critics now he can&#8217;t go to Tunisia. He&#8217;s not allowed to go there like Arabia Saudi too!  </p>
<p>All of us have to remember them in our supplications. </p>
<p>We have wonderful arm is our du’as, don’t forget this!</p>
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		<title>By: Nadia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nadia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 00:23:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Subhanallah that is saddening and ridiculous. May Allah relieve Muslims everywhere from harassment and unfounded accusations.

Does anyone have an idea of what the situation in Tunis is now? The source mentioned is a little old (2 years) dating back to the ID card initiative, but I&#039;m curious to know current government opinion of hijab and other issues in Tunis right now. Is anyone aware of this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Subhanallah that is saddening and ridiculous. May Allah relieve Muslims everywhere from harassment and unfounded accusations.</p>
<p>Does anyone have an idea of what the situation in Tunis is now? The source mentioned is a little old (2 years) dating back to the ID card initiative, but I&#8217;m curious to know current government opinion of hijab and other issues in Tunis right now. Is anyone aware of this?</p>
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		<title>By: ummabdullah</title>
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		<dc:creator>ummabdullah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 20:55:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I feel so lucky to be in Egypt where I don&#039;t need to worry about this type of harassment. In the US, I was so tired of stares and attitudes and always feeling like the &#039;different&#039; one. Here, fine they&#039;re not super practicing but they&#039;re not questioning me at least and I get some respect and honor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feel so lucky to be in Egypt where I don&#8217;t need to worry about this type of harassment. In the US, I was so tired of stares and attitudes and always feeling like the &#8216;different&#8217; one. Here, fine they&#8217;re not super practicing but they&#8217;re not questioning me at least and I get some respect and honor.</p>
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		<title>By: abdifatah</title>
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		<dc:creator>abdifatah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 18:43:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>subhanallah, am so lucky to me in the US and not worry about such a thing. May Allah help the brothers and sisters there in Tunisia. 
amin

wasalam</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>subhanallah, am so lucky to me in the US and not worry about such a thing. May Allah help the brothers and sisters there in Tunisia.<br />
amin</p>
<p>wasalam</p>
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		<title>By: maryam</title>
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		<dc:creator>maryam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 18:15:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Allahu Musta&#039;aan, may Allah make it open the way for our brothers and sisters in Tunis and everywhere... Alhamdullilah we have the freedom to wear hijab and brothers to grow their beards, to pray in masajid and chill there as long as we want...how many of us are taking advantage of it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Allahu Musta&#8217;aan, may Allah make it open the way for our brothers and sisters in Tunis and everywhere&#8230; Alhamdullilah we have the freedom to wear hijab and brothers to grow their beards, to pray in masajid and chill there as long as we want&#8230;how many of us are taking advantage of it?</p>
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		<title>By: mastur</title>
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		<dc:creator>mastur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 13:21:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Salams,
May Allah make things easy for them and all of us. With that, I believe that the story about ID cards for the Masjids is an urban legend - at least that&#039;s what I have heard (and pray that it is an urban legend).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Salams,<br />
May Allah make things easy for them and all of us. With that, I believe that the story about ID cards for the Masjids is an urban legend &#8211; at least that&#8217;s what I have heard (and pray that it is an urban legend).</p>
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