Comments on: A Call For Integrity And Introspection: Revival, Responsibility And Education http://www.suhaibwebb.com/islam-studies/a-call-for-integrity-and-introspection-revival-responsibility-and-education-abul-hussein/ Your Virtual Mosque Sat, 11 Feb 2012 07:31:24 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Samir Abdalla http://www.suhaibwebb.com/islam-studies/a-call-for-integrity-and-introspection-revival-responsibility-and-education-abul-hussein/comment-page-1/#comment-785 Samir Abdalla Wed, 21 Nov 2007 13:04:29 +0000 http://www.suhaibwebb.com/blog/?p=152#comment-785 salaam aleykum. mr. abul hussein with all due respect the central premise of your thesis is baseless because you dont attempt to explain, define, explore what traditionalism means to you. in what can only be described as fallacious is your assertion that traditonalists were demonising the west and have retracted post 9-11. lets cut the facade and speak honestly. you quote shaykh abdal haim murad and then you talk about this demonising the west situation. well abdal hakim murad has always maintained a consistent position regarding the west. we all know you are reffering to shaykh Hamza, that being the case dont conflate the two scholars position, not least because it is a dishonest tactic to use to make your argument, maybe then you wont be strangely fascinated. there is no monolithic group called traditionalists whose scholars all agree on everything, who hold the same political views, who agree in the same ways forward etc, therefore all that you say ends up being baseless......... secondly, maybe part of the problem was that you were looking for a final analysis that is the answer to all answers. maybe that approach by its nature will always fail. maybe trying to truly understand the critque of shaykh abdal hakim murad as not merely wahhabi bashing, or the prennielist critique as not merely modernity bashing, etc. but seeing that all critiques contribute in some ways to enhance our understanding, and allow us to formulate our own comment and critique for a way forward. salaam aleykum.
mr. abul hussein with all due respect the central premise of your thesis is baseless because you dont attempt to explain, define, explore what traditionalism means to you. in what can only be described as fallacious is your assertion that traditonalists were demonising the west and have retracted post 9-11. lets cut the facade and speak honestly. you quote shaykh abdal haim murad and then you talk about this demonising the west situation. well abdal hakim murad has always maintained a consistent position regarding the west. we all know you are reffering to shaykh Hamza, that being the case dont conflate the two scholars position, not least because it is a dishonest tactic to use to make your argument, maybe then you wont be strangely fascinated. there is no monolithic group called traditionalists whose scholars all agree on everything, who hold the same political views, who agree in the same ways forward etc, therefore all that you say ends up being baseless………
secondly, maybe part of the problem was that you were looking for a final analysis that is the answer to all answers. maybe that approach by its nature will always fail. maybe trying to truly understand the critque of shaykh abdal hakim murad as not merely wahhabi bashing, or the prennielist critique as not merely modernity bashing, etc. but seeing that all critiques contribute in some ways to enhance our understanding, and allow us to formulate our own comment and critique for a way forward.

]]> By: Abu Hamza http://www.suhaibwebb.com/islam-studies/a-call-for-integrity-and-introspection-revival-responsibility-and-education-abul-hussein/comment-page-1/#comment-786 Abu Hamza Thu, 15 Nov 2007 21:40:12 +0000 http://www.suhaibwebb.com/blog/?p=152#comment-786 Asalamualaikum wa rahmatallah, I think one thing we should always try to keep in mind is that we are all brothers in this deen, and we all follow the Prophet, peace be upon him. "Western Muslims at times illustrate arrogance and hatred for foreign Muslims but have not done much to build a community that is functional." Akhi, this is so true, we should not treat our brothers this way. I have been in a state of shock ever since Imam Suhaib mentioned there are only 5 American students in al-Azhar University. 5? We expect to have a future in the West with such pathetic numbers? Where are all the future imams, teachers, scholars, and thinkers who are going to lead the 7-10 million Muslims in America? We are heading for disaster unless we change course and start prioritizing Islamic knowledge and begin training imams and scholars for our future. It is nearly impossible now to bring in ulema from overseas. And Allah knows best. Asalamualaikum wa rahmatallah,

I think one thing we should always try to keep in mind is that we are all brothers in this deen, and we all follow the Prophet, peace be upon him.

“Western Muslims at times illustrate arrogance and hatred for foreign Muslims but have not done much to build a community that is functional.”

Akhi, this is so true, we should not treat our brothers this way. I have been in a state of shock ever since Imam Suhaib mentioned there are only 5 American students in al-Azhar University. 5? We expect to have a future in the West with such pathetic numbers? Where are all the future imams, teachers, scholars, and thinkers who are going to lead the 7-10 million Muslims in America? We are heading for disaster unless we change course and start prioritizing Islamic knowledge and begin training imams and scholars for our future. It is nearly impossible now to bring in ulema from overseas.

And Allah knows best.

]]> By: yahya http://www.suhaibwebb.com/islam-studies/a-call-for-integrity-and-introspection-revival-responsibility-and-education-abul-hussein/comment-page-1/#comment-787 yahya Thu, 15 Nov 2007 06:56:41 +0000 http://www.suhaibwebb.com/blog/?p=152#comment-787 "We are in need of self criticism, tauba and humility. We are need of building character, ibadah, and “education (adab and ilm). We are all at fault and integrity demands that we end the blame game and begin to blame ourselves (attain to the degree of nafs al-lawwama) and then we work together to help the world be a better place and work to better a place for ourselves in the hereafter." Well said. “We are in need of self criticism, tauba and humility. We are need of building character, ibadah, and “education (adab and ilm). We are all at fault and integrity demands that we end the blame game and begin to blame ourselves (attain to the degree of nafs al-lawwama) and then we work together to help the world be a better place and work to better a place for ourselves in the hereafter.”

Well said.

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