Assalamualaikum (Peace be unto you)

unfortunately, i only manage to watch half of this discussion due to my bad internet connection. Can anyone tell me how can i download this video online and watch it peacefully without any distraction from bad connection. Pls reply through my email if possible tyvm.

00:39 = Confirmation of the Prophet's (s) Hadith!
and May Allah bless sis Dalia..

Again, Islam is on the defence, the provocations of those who carry out such actions are ignored. I wonder what these so called "reform" minded 'Muslims' intend to do with this hyper liberal attitude. Im all for this fiqh of minorities and understanding context etc.. when doing Fiqh but its also good to remember the verse "The Jews and the Christians will never be pleased with you until you follow their way" (Baqarah). I think, and i am reminding myself really, is that how far can we go in contextualising our Fiqh? We emphasis fiqh and usul and qawaaid and maqaasid in understanding and applying Fiqh, but are we also responsible for giving birth to the likes of Irshad Manji, a hyper ijtihadi mentality were we dismiss our fiqh heritage because we happen to live in the 21st Century? If this is how things are going to end up, then i guess Taqleed was not so bad after all, and I can see the wisdom behind it now. Just a few thoughts, but it saddens and scares me when i see people tampering with Fiqh to issue rulings that go against, as what i know, rulings which have reached consensus like the Hijab, women marrying non-Muslim men. See, if a women does not like the fact that Allah prohibited women from marrying Non-Muslim men, she needs to really ask herself, does she really want to be a Muslim? because there is a point where facilitation stops and submission steps in, Its simply a matter of "God said no, so accept it" simply as. Again facilitation is definetly an important concept, but too much harbours cowardliness and weakness, and an attitude of always taking the easy way out.
I dont know if im making sense, its late, but i just felt a bit disturbed by this hyper liberalness and now they are even identifying themselves as "Reform Muslims", I guess they are following in the paths of the Jews who have Orthodox, Refom and Conservative (Ring any bells?? > Hadith of the Prophet (S) saying we are going to follow them in everything?)
Wallahu al-Musta'aan

I had never watched this video before. Subhan-Allah I HAVE A HEADACHE.

Y'all Make DUA for this Ummah and get your lives right. PLEASE. Ya Allah have mercy on Dalia and increase her, and bestow on her light from Your Light - Ameen.

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There are a number of issues that it was my desire to express but due to time constraints have opted to remain silent on the vast majority of them and limit myself instead to a few remarks. In brief and fairness and honesty Irshad Manji is correct in saying that the Ulema are not in the front lines engaging although one can disagree with her intent and desire for engagement that is her vision of reform.

She makes clear the problem of lack in bridging sound scholarship to the people. In fact, she herself is evidence of the lack we have in the West in qualified scholarship engaging society. This essentially is typical of the problem of having an increasingly educated population in every field of learning but Islam. What we have is vast majorities of Muslims that are illiterate Islamically. Likewise, this phenomena is another proof that there in the Muslim community here and abroad a tension between Islamic scholarship and the University educated we have failed to bridge the gap between tradition and University.

On another note, although one can strongly and legitimately disagree with Irshad Manji who is in philosophical terms a post-modernist of the queer theory school claiming reform it is important to understand that she has grabbed some serious concepts which are employed by revivalist thinkers. These concepts are terms such as: "ijtihad," "social reality," "understanding interpretation" as long as we continue to engage tradition and the sources of Islam in a mindless manner without patience, and understanding the discourse of revival will be co-opted ignorantly by the liberalist tendency in all its colors.

Irshad Manji has done no more than marry Islamic symbols to promotion activism and postmodern queer theory. She is fighting for the power of interpretation, harnessing the power of media no more no less. If anything, she is active and involved. Whether we like it or not the question now is where are the other voices Dalia has stepped up to the table will we?

Unfortunately, this type of debate will continue in the West until a reference for scholarship based on merit is established in the West. In closing let it be noted for the record that as a pre-requisite to Islamic literacy there is a dire need to cultivate "respect' for dialogue, difference and the attitude necessary for serious scholarship literacy without these will mean little in my estimation because it will be overshadowed by whim and emotion rather than principles and devotion. It is my hope that we learn the importance of having qualified active engaged scholars in these type forums to date that is lacking.

Peace

It's still there in the video,

Located at 51:30

I know... it's priceless.

I thought that at the end of the video the host says saomthing like "There's too much ruminating going on here" which was obviously a little bit of a slam towards Irshad Manji.

So how come I don't see it anywhere in the video anymore?
Has it been omitted?

Jess.

As salaam alaikum.

I enjoyed this video and think that Sister Dalia came off as a very balanced and rational academic. Sister Irshad pontificates without anything but subjective proofs.

Ma'as salaama,
nuh ibn

I love seeing how cool and collected Dalia is.

Right at the beginning of this video watch how nervous Irshad is, she keeps figeting (touching the card around her neck, adjusting her shirt, moving her purse to the other side of the chair). She knew she was gonna get it from Dalia, and rightfully so in my opinion.

The crowd seems to be all pro-Irshad though so once again it doesn't seem like a completely fair debate concerning whose in attendance.

I wonder why Irshad isn't posting this on her website or her YouTube channel? Not so perfect are ya Irshad. But keep trying to portray yourself that way.

MashAllah, Sister Dalia is very well-spoken and knowledgeable. May Allah increase her in knowledge and success, and may Allah increase people like her.

She's not of Pakistani descent, at least according to Wikipedia, which states that "Manji was born in Uganda in 1968 to parents of Egyptian and Gujarati Indian descent."

But anyways, may Allah (swt) bless Sr. Dalia for defending Islam and may Allah (swt) give people like Irshad Manji the true understanding of Islam. We need more people like Sr. Dalia to speak for us and represent us in the Media. Currently, the mainstream Muslim community (in the west) is being represented by people that really don't adhere to Islam themselves but for some reason are labeled as experts. I'm not trying to be harsh judge here but people like Irshad Manji don't really have a right to speak for Islam. To set the record straight here, Irshad Manji is not a Muslim and should stop claiming to represent Islam. Western media outlets should realize that they should seek their information from real, practicing Muslims, not pseudo-Muslims.

Manji got OWNED!!!!!

Yea she's paki. born and raised in Canada.

Is the non-hijabi lady Pakistani? Does anyone know? Just curious....

I found these very powerful videos for Dalia Mogahed. She's amazing! It seems that she's extremely respected in many serious professional circles.

Conference by US Army War College and Women in International Security.
rtsp://video.c-span.org/project/ter/ter021207_college2.rm

Mogahed discuss her study on C-SPAN's Washington Journal.
http://www.booktv.org/program.aspx?ProgramId=92...

Charlie Rose discussion with John Esposito & Dalia Mogahed
http://www.charlierose.com/shows/2008/09/05/3/a...
http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docId=...

I SUSPECTED THERE WAS PROBLEMS WITH MANJI WHEN SHE FIRST STARTED TO TALK, WHEN SHE SAID SALAAMS, NOT THE WAY ITS PRONOUNCED. NEXT, SHE SAID TO THE ATHEIST, "HOW THE HELL ARE YOU". COMPARE THAT TO HOW SISTER DALIA STARED AND INTRODUCED HERSELF INTO THE TALK.

Imagine how many people she's fooled with that incorrect definition of Ijtihad. LOL, her main argument is that of Ijtihad, yet she doesn't seem to really know what it is.

salaam,

Dian,

Do invite her. Try this for contact...

http://www.onenationforall.org/component/option...

We have a few departments in two major Universities that jumped to sponsor this event on Nov 5th. So not everyone is listening to Manji. We just have to push our brothers and sisters that can counter the Manjis and Hirsis forward and support their work.

If you have trouble - give me a sister's email/org email and I can send you her direct email or her secretary who plans her speaking engagements.

wasalaam,
Fedwa

Masha Allah, Sr. Dalia made me us all proud. It's refreshing to see a hijabi speaks in a public forum with such command & beautiful articulation of our deen (not to mention her perfect English:)

I would like to invite her to MCA (Muslim Community Association). Abang Suhaib, do you have her contact? Anda punya email saya di MCA.

May Allah swt accept our ibadah in this blessed month. Amin

MashAllah,

I paused the video about half-way through and wrote out a long, inarticulate rant against the arguments that Irshad was making.

Before I posted it though, I thought, let me watch the rest of the video. And I'm glad I did because everything I wanted to say Siste Dalia said it (and much more) in a way that I never could have. It feels great to be humbled.

masha Allah, i'm only about half way through the video and all I have to see is we need more sisters and BROTHERS like sister Dalia who can articulate our faith in such an intellectual, respectful and non-condescending manner. May Allah (swt) reward her and bless her for her efforts, ameen to the du'aas, and Ramadan Karim to all...last ten nights coming up :)

Irshad Manji seems more interested in promoting her website, book and compliments she receives from others than actually answering questions. May Allah reward sister Dalia for such an excellent job.

Assalama Aleikum,

One of the co-authors with Ust. Dalia of "who speaks for Islam", John-Esposito, will be speaking this Oct 5th, at the ING annual dinner and Fund raiser. Please see if you can make it.

Details: http://www.ing.org/ingannualdinner.asp

Wa Salaam,
Azmat

as for giving voice to mainstream muslims, isnt that a product of the mainstream media who fail to provide access to muslims within the mainstream community?

the thing i note is that neo conservatives have the identical interpretation of the koran and islam as the very people they demonise as extremists. they are in fact part of the same problem, when neo conservatives can find themselves reciting tenets of islam as mainstream islam then surely we as muslims can be one step closer in denying extremists their reformation and reinterpretation of the koran and islam.

maybe more of a point should be made to neo conservatives that their interpretation lies with the extremists not with mainstream islam/muslims.

i think what is instructive here is that irshad is used to speaking to a neo conservative anti islam audience who appreciate her references and the tone that admonishes islam and muslims, that seeks to reform islam in its image as it has done with christianity.

so whilst muslims and those who are objective viewers will appreciate the islamic input from sr dalia the neo conservatives and their affiliates are actually listening to a different debate and take away irshads misdirection as the progressive modern reformed path.